Jolene's streak of "trans women whose lives were touched by evangelical Christianity" continues, as she's joined by Aurora for a conversation about: "Did you know they make bikinis for boys?" (they don't), joining a cult, leaving a cult, being a surfer boy as an attempt at femininity, and finally, a long meandering meta conversation about narrativizing trans lives, inspired by Aurora's wonderful book The Fifth Wound, which you can order below.

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