“Hope is power. Hope is what gets us into action.” Kathy is honored to welcome Frances Moore Lapp (https://www.smallplanet.org/frances-moore-lappe)é (https://www.smallplanet.org/frances-moore-lappe), the author of the groundbreaking book Diet for a Small Planet, to the podcast to celebrate the book’s 50th Anniversary Edition release. In a timely and urgent conversation, they talk about:* How Frances spoke out against eating animals 50 years ago, when plant-based eating was a “fringe” movement* The devastating environmental impacts of meat and dairy production, both then and now* Working with her daughter, Anna Lappé, to establish the Small Planet Institute (https://www.smallplanet.org/)* The one holdout Frances has about going vegan (Hint: it’s a certain type of cheese!)To follow the Small Planet Institute, find them on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/francesmoorelappe/) and Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/francesmoorelappe).Connect with Kathy Stevens:* Facebook: Kathy Stevens (http://facebook.com/kathy.stevens.CAS), Catskill Animal Sanctuary (https://www.facebook.com/catskillanimalsanctuary)* Twitter: @CASanctuary (https://twitter.com/CASanctuary/)* Books: Where the Blind Horse Sings (https://casanctuary.org/shop/book-where-the-blind-horse-sings/)* Website: CASanctuary.org (https://casanctuary.org/)* Instagram: @catskill_animal_sanctuary (https://instagram.com/catskill_animal_sanctuary/)* YouTube: Catskill Animal Sanctuary (https://www.youtube.com/user/CASanctuary)