This is the third interaction between Southeast Kansas' own The Blue Collar Scholar podcast and Southwest Missouri's own Trying to Like It podcast. In episode 66 (which is episode 84 of Trying to Like It), we talked about music festivals and classic rock. In episode 102 I respond to Trying to Like It episode 109 which talked about conspiracy theories. In this episode, my friend Aaron Carmichael and I had a long discussion that we recorded. I will split the discussion in two. In this episode, we discuss how immigration policy affects Aaron's job as a university administrator who works with and teaches international students. This led into a broader discussion about immigration policy. In the next episode, we will return to this interview for a discussion of movies, which is more in Trying to Like It's pop culture wheelhouse.