Steven Hassan has been helping others to recognize and free themselves from mind control and undue influence for over four decades since leaving the Moonies cult.

He has written four books including a collection of vital resources called Combating Cult Mind Control and his most recent The Cult of Trump, about how the President uses mass persuasion, paranoia and disorienting fiction.

Here Steve and I discuss among other things why the times are ripe for cults and scams and why our institutions aren't equipped to respond.

Find more mind control recognition resources on freedomofmind.com