In this episode, Drew speaks of how difficult it can be to accept the reality of Jesus when Jesus stretches and challenges our understanding of who God is and how God meets us.

Drew mentioned Dr. Judson Brewer at the beginning of this episode and spoke about becoming mindful of the present moment. Judson Brewer's book Unwinding Anxiety (2021) and many of his videos teach his methods for curiously investigating the present moment for multiple purposes.

The music in this episode is a song titled "Mullan Sun" which was written and performed by Abstract April: https://uppbeat.io/track/abstract-aprils/mullan-sun

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