Join us as we blend perspectives on modern medical research with valuable lessons learned through other ways of knowing.  Dr. Bia Labate, executive director of Chacruna Institute, and Dr. Harry McIlroy, clinical director at BioReset Medical, help us dissect the many challenges of placebo controls when researching psychoactives.  We further discuss educational offerings from Chacruna Institute specifically focused on methods of knowledge production in the psychedelics field.  We close the episode by relating an attention grabbing article published in Nature, about a reduction in disruptive research, to psychedelics.