Dr. Pat Heist of Wilderness Trail Distillery and Ferm Solutions joins Alan Bishop and Christi Atkinson to discuss fermentation, particularly grain vs sugar ferms, osmotic stress and more. Pat shares some perspectives from his consulting work for distillers exploring yeast strains and ways to manipulate your batches to produce diverse results using the same strain. We discuss the buzz about the bourbon industry and speculation about the market, as well as how the approaches taken by Wilderness Trail that have supported their growth and maintained the brand's strong presence during the market softening. We also chat about opportunities with rye whiskey and Pat's experimentation with "casket strength" whiskey.