From Amazon packages at the door to Slack pings in the middle of Zoom calls, distraction has become the default setting of modern work. In this episode of the Process Debt Podcast, Chris and Toby explore why our attention is constantly under attack—and what that means for the endless hours we spend in meetings.

They discuss how COVID blurred the line between connection and decision-making, why so many meetings lack clear purpose or roles, and how habits like assigning a rotating “scribe” could help us focus more sharply. Along the way, they talk about sitcom-worthy meeting culture, the rise of AI-generated communication, and how efficiency tools sometimes make us less alert.

At the core of it all: are we just tracking time, or creating real value? Tune in for a conversation that’s relatable, funny, and uncomfortably honest for anyone who’s ever zoned out during a Zoom call.