We have often talked *about* straight cis white dudes on this show. But the number of times we've talked *to* them on the show? Next to never. So we wanted to revisit this bonus episode from the Before Times with two of our favorite dudes, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh, the co-hosts of the long-running daily podcast Too Beautiful To Live. We talked about allyship and their own evolving thoughts about racism and sexism on the job.

Luke also hosts Live Wire on public radio stations everywhere and Andrew also co-hosts the delightful podcasts Spotless and After These Messages.