In this episode Dr. Margarida Garcia speaks with Dr. Patti LaBoucane Benson, a Métis Senator from the Treaty 6 territory, a lecturer for the Peter Lougheed Leadership College, the director and lead facilitator for the Nelson Mandela Dialogues, and author of an award-winning novel, The Outside Circle. They talk about ways of creating sacred spaces that are both safe and uncomfortable at the same time, by involving elders, creating specific rules, and using skillful moderation. Such spaces, where kindness and curiosity about the other are key, are generators of social innovation and transformation. Dr. LaBoucane Benson also delves into the concept of mino-pimatisiwin as a life-long pursuit, and the Sun Dance ceremony that may give us a glimpse into what a more inclusive future might look like.