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Check out this post by Marc Ashworth, CISO at First Bank for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week's episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and Shawn Bowen, vp, deputy CISO - Gaming, Microsoft. Joining us is Ken Athanasiou, CISO, VF Corporation.

In this episode:

• Frustration is a two-way street
• Sales is data driven
• Give customers the tools they need
• Start a conversation

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