Host Jerry Eicher of Anabaptist Theological Perspective responds to Kirk Cameron’s announcement that he no longer believes in eternal punishment, exploring biblical texts (e.g., Revelation 14), the atonement, and competing views of hell and annihilation.

The episode covers two central proposals: the ‘preservation of the record’ idea for why evil might be maintained in a contained, demonstrable state rather than erased, and deep ontological questions about being, non-being, and whether created wills or souls can be returned to nothing. Eicher critiques popular annihilationist arguments (mentioning Edward Fudge, Plato, Milton, and 1 Timothy 6:16) and lays out what he sees as the theological and logical stakes. No external guests — hosted and argued by Jerry Eicher.