n this episode of 33 Conversations, Michael Abney sits down with Andy Choi, founder and CEO of DoGood, for a conversation about profit with purpose, social impact, faith, capitalism, nonprofit scarcity, and what it means to build something that serves without losing yourself in the process.

Andy shares how growing up in a Korean immigrant family, being shaped by faith, witnessing nonprofit life up close, and building multiple startups led him to question the old separation between making money and doing good.

Together, Michael and Andy explore why mission-driven people are often expected to sacrifice, why the nonprofit system can become scarcity-driven, and how business might be redesigned to support human flourishing instead of extracting from it.

This episode is for founders, nonprofit leaders, faith-driven entrepreneurs, social impact builders, and anyone who has ever felt torn between ambition and service.

It is worth listening to because it challenges a quiet but powerful belief: that doing meaningful work requires suffering. Andy offers a different possibility — one where purpose, profit, and sustainability are not enemies, but parts of a better-designed system.