This week on the Mortal Machine Podcast, Chris and Gabe talk about the reality of running a creative business: managing a gallery, protecting your energy, and figuring out how to keep the work flowing without letting the work take over your life.

They get into the business side of art, the pressure to constantly do more, and why getting older sometimes means learning how to do less — but better. It’s a conversation about creative flow, time management, burnout, and building a life where the work still feels alive.