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In this episode, we sit down with Donncha Ó Cearbhaill, a hacker-turned-human-rights-defender who now leads the Security Lab at Amnesty International. 

He has spoken at many conferences about the abuses of spyware, such as 37C3 and Hexacon 2025.

Big thanks to Donncha for taking time from his busy schedule to have a chat with me.

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