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In this episode, Elle explores the concept of being conditionally childfree, emphasizing the importance of having children under the right conditions and with the right partner. She challenges societal norms that reduce women to their reproductive roles, affirming that women are creators in various ways. Elle also cautions against the trap of having children with the wrong person for the sake of legacy, underlining the difference between lineage and legacy. The podcast confronts the stigmatization of childfree people, sheds light on the baby-trapping tactics of malicious men, and encourages listeners to value their worth and make decisions that prioritize their well-being.