Welcome back for Episode 4, where Meli & Wendy are challenged with recording a podcast while distracted by Kirk & Spock & kittens.  In this episode we belatedly discuss a Mother's Day letter about toxic moms.  We also dive deep into the Hidden Brain episode on the Gardener and the Carpenter (link below), and how often parenting seems to be a choice between different definitions of success.  

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https://www.npr.org/2018/05/28/614054515/the-carpenter-vs-the-gardener-two-models-of-modern-parenting