In the latest episode of Dez Experience Podcast. My special guest was Frances Jones. The following topics were discussed. Including: Talked about her life story? What should you never say to couples who are not childless by choice? How did adopting two children affect your shame, hurt and disappointment at not having your own children? What don't fertile people understand about those who can't have children? How can we change the dialogue society has about fertility problems? Why did she write her book?