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Don’t Wait for All the Data: on Courage, Culture, and AI ft. Margaret Heffernan
Mark and Margaret explore how leaders can operate effectively in unpredictable environments, emphasizing curiosity, reflection, and making decisions without perfect information. They discuss the limits of efficiency, the risks of relying too heavily on metrics, and how AI may weaken independent thinking. Margaret shares real examples of leaders who improved their organizations by listening more, empowering their teams, and building trust. They also examine extreme work cultures, the importance of maintaining personal autonomy, and how strong social connections in remote teams support better collaboration and problem-solving.
Chapters00:00 - The World of Uncertainty
03:57 - Curiosity in Business
10:15 - Measurements, Data, and KPIs
12:51 - Letting AI think for Us
16:29 - Growing Leadership Skills
26:31 - CEO Coaching Experience
33:29 - 9-9-6 Mentality
38:00 - Business Trends
40:00 - Social Capital with Global Teams
45:40 - Margaret's Essential Question
About MargaretDr. Margaret Heffernan began her career producing BBC radio and television programmes, including dramas, documentaries, and the first broadcasts featuring Simon Schama. After moving to the United States, she led multimedia initiatives for Intuit, The Learning Company, and Standard & Poor’s, later serving as CEO of InfoMation Corporation, ZineZone, and iCast. Recognized as one of Streaming Media’s “Top 25” and The Hollywood Reporter’s “Top 100 Media Executives,” she is also the author of seven influential books, including Willful Blindness, A Bigger Prize, and the best-selling Uncharted. Her TED talks have been viewed more than fifteen million times, and her next book, Embracing Uncertainty, will be published in 2025.
A Professor of Practice at the University of Bath, Heffernan mentors global CEOs through Merryck & Co., speaks at major international conferences, and chairs the board of DACS. She has advised high-profile public inquiries, was inducted into the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame in 2023, and is a frequent BBC Radio 4 broadcaster. She also writes for the Financial Times and serves as a parish councillor.
Where to find Margaret• Website: https://mheffernan.com/
• X: https://x.com/M_Heffernan
• Ted: https://www.ted.com/speakers/margaret_heffernan
• Substack: https://heffernanm.substack.com/
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By Mark WormgoorMark and Margaret explore how leaders can operate effectively in unpredictable environments, emphasizing curiosity, reflection, and making decisions without perfect information. They discuss the limits of efficiency, the risks of relying too heavily on metrics, and how AI may weaken independent thinking. Margaret shares real examples of leaders who improved their organizations by listening more, empowering their teams, and building trust. They also examine extreme work cultures, the importance of maintaining personal autonomy, and how strong social connections in remote teams support better collaboration and problem-solving.
Chapters00:00 - The World of Uncertainty
03:57 - Curiosity in Business
10:15 - Measurements, Data, and KPIs
12:51 - Letting AI think for Us
16:29 - Growing Leadership Skills
26:31 - CEO Coaching Experience
33:29 - 9-9-6 Mentality
38:00 - Business Trends
40:00 - Social Capital with Global Teams
45:40 - Margaret's Essential Question
About MargaretDr. Margaret Heffernan began her career producing BBC radio and television programmes, including dramas, documentaries, and the first broadcasts featuring Simon Schama. After moving to the United States, she led multimedia initiatives for Intuit, The Learning Company, and Standard & Poor’s, later serving as CEO of InfoMation Corporation, ZineZone, and iCast. Recognized as one of Streaming Media’s “Top 25” and The Hollywood Reporter’s “Top 100 Media Executives,” she is also the author of seven influential books, including Willful Blindness, A Bigger Prize, and the best-selling Uncharted. Her TED talks have been viewed more than fifteen million times, and her next book, Embracing Uncertainty, will be published in 2025.
A Professor of Practice at the University of Bath, Heffernan mentors global CEOs through Merryck & Co., speaks at major international conferences, and chairs the board of DACS. She has advised high-profile public inquiries, was inducted into the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame in 2023, and is a frequent BBC Radio 4 broadcaster. She also writes for the Financial Times and serves as a parish councillor.
Where to find Margaret• Website: https://mheffernan.com/
• X: https://x.com/M_Heffernan
• Ted: https://www.ted.com/speakers/margaret_heffernan
• Substack: https://heffernanm.substack.com/