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Doom, Hope, Doom, Hope, Sushi: What the AI Apocaloptimist Doc Got Right (and Wrong)
Is the AI industry even talking to the rest of us?
In this episode, Jenny and Greg Swan unpack The AI Doc, or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. It's a new documentary that puts the biggest names in AI in one room and asks: is this good or bad? Should we be having kids? And does anyone actually have a plan? From Sam Altman to Geoffrey Hinton to the doomers who think your children won't survive high school, the film swings between terror and hope like a pendulum. And so do we.
They dig into what the AI industry can't agree on, what it means for the rest of us, and why the gap between "imagine a better future" and "tell me what to do tonight" keeps getting wider. This isn't a tech review. It's a parenting conversation, a policy conversation, and a sanity check. All at once.
Along the way, they talk about:
🎬 The documentary everyone should see but only 6% of Twin Cities moviegoers did
🚪 Why Jenny walked out of the theater during the doom section, and what pushed her over the edge
🐜 The ants metaphor that has been living in Greg's brain rent-free since Saturday
🎤 Greg asking Tristan the same question at SXSW for the fourth year in a row, and still not getting a satisfying answer
🤖 What AI actually is right now (spoiler: it cannot count movie theater seats)
⚖️ The Meta and Google verdict that just made the big-tobacco lawsuit theory very real
👶 The techno-optimists who are thrilled to be having kids right now — and the doomers who would never.
🏫 What to ask your school board, your kids, and your Congress person this week.
🍣 Robot cats, sushi, and the moment we realized the future already happened and we did not even blink
This episode is for anyone trying to figure out where they land between doom and hope. The AI industry is having its conversation at 30,000 feet. We are having ours on the ground. Come sit with us.
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By Jenny and Greg SwanIs the AI industry even talking to the rest of us?
In this episode, Jenny and Greg Swan unpack The AI Doc, or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. It's a new documentary that puts the biggest names in AI in one room and asks: is this good or bad? Should we be having kids? And does anyone actually have a plan? From Sam Altman to Geoffrey Hinton to the doomers who think your children won't survive high school, the film swings between terror and hope like a pendulum. And so do we.
They dig into what the AI industry can't agree on, what it means for the rest of us, and why the gap between "imagine a better future" and "tell me what to do tonight" keeps getting wider. This isn't a tech review. It's a parenting conversation, a policy conversation, and a sanity check. All at once.
Along the way, they talk about:
🎬 The documentary everyone should see but only 6% of Twin Cities moviegoers did
🚪 Why Jenny walked out of the theater during the doom section, and what pushed her over the edge
🐜 The ants metaphor that has been living in Greg's brain rent-free since Saturday
🎤 Greg asking Tristan the same question at SXSW for the fourth year in a row, and still not getting a satisfying answer
🤖 What AI actually is right now (spoiler: it cannot count movie theater seats)
⚖️ The Meta and Google verdict that just made the big-tobacco lawsuit theory very real
👶 The techno-optimists who are thrilled to be having kids right now — and the doomers who would never.
🏫 What to ask your school board, your kids, and your Congress person this week.
🍣 Robot cats, sushi, and the moment we realized the future already happened and we did not even blink
This episode is for anyone trying to figure out where they land between doom and hope. The AI industry is having its conversation at 30,000 feet. We are having ours on the ground. Come sit with us.