So, in this episode the dorks have just attended MEP Innovation. We had fun there all week and it ended with anti-keynote. That is, it ended with a giant workshop versus a single guy getting up there and talking at you, and it was wonderful. They walked us through different exercises, different arrangements that helped us understand lean principles. Small batch, how waste affects the job site and sort of did it in an entertaining and engaging way. So, when we talk about the anti-keynote we're talking about that experience and how much we enjoyed having it.