In this fifth episode, Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Aparna Mishra-Tarc, an Associate Professor at York University. During their conversation, Dr. Mishra-Tarc shares her perspectives on the pedagogical figures of the “teacher” and "child" in relation to the COVID-19 Pandemic. She discusses her new book Pedagogy in the Novels of J.M. Coetzee: The Affects of Literature. She addresses some of the following concepts: pedagogy, psychical dimensions of our inner life, object-relations theory, our curricular attachments to knowledge, autobiographical writing, revolt, relational violence, reparation, thinking and being thoughtless, symbolizing unbearable feelings, affect, ethics of humility, love of literature, grief, and so much more.