Dr. Frank Lipman sits down with his friend, Dr. Aseem Malhotra to talk about what they are calling the two pandemics happening right now, COVID-19 and the "metabolic disease" pandemic. Dr. Malhotra, one of the most influential cardiologists in Britain and a world leading expert in the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of heart disease. He is successfully leading the campaign against excess sugar consumption. They talk about how obesity and chronic illness are complicated issues with many factors - political, personal, food industry, healthcare, and more.