Dr. Chéri Phillips is macroeconomist and economics professor at State University of New York (SUNY) at Cortland. This fascinating conversation covers race, gender, the pandemic, and climate change. James and Michael consider their options with the Prisoner's Dilemma.

Guest: Dr. Chéri Phillips

Beer: Montucky Cold Snack by Montucky Cold Snacks

Links: Instagram: @drcheriphillips

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