Dr. Eric Cole is our guest for episode 14 of Gula Tech Cyber Fiction. Eric and Ron speak about why we need certifications for Chief Information Security Officers, marketing terms like "zero trust" and "artificial intelligence", cybersecurity risk frameworks, Data Care and a good bit of hacker science fiction. Dr. Cole started his career doing cybersecurity at the CIA, has a PHD in computer science, has authored 8 computer security books including Cyber Crisis which will be available soon and runs Secure Anchor consulting which provides cybersecurity expert witness services and security consulting.