Michael's guest is a brilliant and very thoughtful  member of the Geneva Centre for Security Policy faculty who has made a  study of global risk and resilience. In fact, that is his title. He has  been on the McKay interview before – two years ago - to explain what he  does. But this visit is different.

Dr Jean-Marc Rickli is a Swiss and I am delighted that he is able to join me again, though this time on Zoom.