Welcome in to The Safe Place with your host Gavin Clarke. In today's episode we hear from the Dr Joshua Smith who is a Pain and Clinical Psychologist in America. This is a fascinating discussion of pain (both emotional and physical), mental illness and physical disability. This is such an incredible conversation and I invite you do listen to this in whatever environment suits you best but if you can get outside in the fresh air for a good walk or roll for our wheelchair users please do.

Dr Josh will no doubt be joining us again and you can find him on instagram until then:

@drj.smith

For more on your host and updates on this podcast:

Website: www.imgavinclarke.com

Instagram:

@iamgavinclarke

@thesafeplacepodcast

For now though, it's time to hunker down, get comfortable and listen in to The Safe Place.