In this interview Matt Crawford speaks with Dr. Robert Crease about his book, The Leak. In 1997, scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory found a small leak of radioactive water near their research reactor. Brookhaven was and is a world class Nobel Prize winning lab. Despite this, the discovery of a harmless leak of radiation would set off a media circus, political debate and fearmongering that closed a vital scientific facility. This case was the canary in the coal mine and showed that facts and science didn't matter when up against perception. A prescient read with all that is going on today regarding vaccines, science and facts.