In this episode, Dr. James Arcadi and Dr. Madison Pierce interview their colleague Dr. Te-Li Lau, Associate Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.

Madison and James ask Te-Li about his time working in Silicon Valley, his transition to biblical studies, and his brand new book, Defending Shame, an exciting new contribution to the field.

Tune in after the episode to hear about some of James' and Madison's favorite movies.

This episode is also available on YouTube: https://youtu.be/vsstEiS8R9I.