Here's a representative portion of an eye-opening conversation with Dr. Tess Drazdowski, a research scientist with Lighthouse Institute, who joined us to discuss her innovative and important work on substance use recovery for emerging adults. She calls on an end to the stigma around substance use struggles and the outdated belief that it’s a moral problem requiring will power, tough lover or waiting for people to hit rock bottom.  She gives a shout out to the people “living their recovery out loud” and providing pathways that reduce stigma.  (The full interview will be out shortly and is largely about the efficacy of an incentives-based approach in increasing program utilization and adherence among emerging adults.)