Building off of last week’s episode, co-host Abby talks with licensed psychologist Vilmarie Narloch. Roundtable members Abby, Grace, and Jackson debate the ins and outs of nonprofit funding, the anticapitalist potential of psychedelics, and Jackson’s status as “alternative.”

Dr. Vilmarie Narloch is a co-founder and director of The Sana Healing Collective, a Chicago-based non-profit organization committed to the development of psychedelic-assisted therapy alongside other integrative practices. Dr. Narloch is an activist, advocate for science- and reality-based drug education, and harm reductionist. Her work focuses on individual and group psychedelic-assisted therapy and views the profession through a humanistic lens.

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Music by the Groovy Tad Nicol

Show notes:

- Sounds of Sana Album: https://sanahealingcollective.org/soundsofsana

- Sign-ups for Creative Healing: Using Art to Deepen Psychedelic Preparation and Integration (May 3rd, 2025): https://sanahealingcollective.org/events/creativehealing

- Sana Collective’s Donation Page: https://sanahealingcollective.org/donate