In this twelfth episode, Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. William F. Pinar, Tetsuo T. Aoki Professor at the University of British Columbia. During their conversation, Dr. Pinar shares his perspectives as a curriculum theorist and lived experiences in relation to the 2020 Pandemic and Anti-Black Racism Protests in the United States. He discusses some of the following concepts: systemic inequities, different temporal dimensions of currere, curriculum policy reform and reorganization, populist movements, instrumentalism, existential philosophy, cautionary notes on the use of technology, social media, and news feeds, reactivation, reconstruction, Black feminist autobiographical research, allegories of an American South, Weimar Republic, and Harlem Renaissance, subjectivity, and so much more.