This week on The Relentless, Phil Shalala and NFL Super Bowl champion Lonie Paxton are back from spring break and ready to dive in. From juggling parenting in a screen-filled world to navigating the business side of golf (yes, golf!), they get into how life, sports, and startups all demand the same thing—mental toughness. They swap stories on resilience, patience, and how those lessons play out both on the green and in the boardroom. Plus, some thoughts on the NFL draft, rebuilding the Patriots, and why even the “small” roles in sports are anything but simple. It’s a laid-back but insight-packed convo you don’t wanna miss.