In this conversation, author Meg Jones Wall reveals the radical transformations in her life since 2023. We dive deep into her upcoming book, The Devils We Know exploring the 15th archetype not as a boogeyman, but as the tender, scary parts of ourselves we often hide away. Meg unpacks the Devil work of living in the gray areas, challenging listeners to abandon the false safety of binary thinking and religious dogma. By trading defensiveness for curiosity, she argues that we can finally move our shadows from the unconscious into the light of awareness. Listen in as we discuss the nature of evil, the depravity of power, and how to reclaim our humanity from the labels of monsters.

Join us for an alluring exploration of why the cards we fear most often hold the keys to our most profound liberation.

Read Meg’s current books Finding the Fool: A Tarot Journey to Radical Transformation and Tarot Spreads.

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