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Dreyer Drive #045 - The Thong Song


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You clicked on this expecting another episode recap where we wax nostalgic about Saturday morning cartoons or the correct way to organize your CD collection. But today? Today we’re going deep—inappropriately deep—into what might genuinely be one of the most influential pop culture moments of the late 90s/early 2000s.

I’m talking about “Thong Song.”

Yes, that “Thong Song.” The one your mom immediately changed when it came on the radio. The one that somehow got four Grammy nominations. The one that made an 18-year-old kid with platinum hair into a cultural icon for exactly one glorious year.

Here’s the thing: after researching this topic for way too long (my husband can confirm, I ambushed him with thong facts for an entire evening), I’ve come to a conclusion that our classically-trained musician followers might want to sit down for.

“Thong Song” is a masterpiece. And I’m not kidding even a little bit.

But First, Let’s Talk About Amazon Addiction

Before we dive into the cultural phenomenon that was Sisqó’s only hit, Ryan and I did what we do best: overshared about our recent Amazon purchases and somehow made it relatable.

Ryan’s recent haul included chia seeds (obviously), psyllium husk (the glamorous life of a 40-something), and a medicine ball he bought after watching some basketball trainer on Instagram. He ripped it open like Christmas morning, showed it to his kids, and promptly stored it in the workout room where it hasn’t been touched since.

If you’ve ever bought something because you were convinced you’d suddenly become great at that thing, you’re not alone. We are your people.

My confession? A contour cool leg and knee pillow because sometimes when my knees touch while I’m sleeping, it hurts. Yes, I’m old. Yes, my bones hurt. Yes, we’re related because Ryan admitted he’s been sleeping with a pregnancy pillow for years.

We’re basically one step away from those Life Alert commercials, and honestly? We’re making peace with it.

The Universal Experience of Parenting on Airplanes

Ryan’s recent family trip to Nagasaki gave us one of those beautiful moments of sibling solidarity: when your toddler loses their absolute mind on an airplane and some guy in front of you starts kissing his teeth in disapproval.

Here’s what I’ve learned as a parent: there are exactly two types of people on flights with crying children. There’s the grandma who’s been through it and gives you that knowing nod of “you’re doing great, sweetie,” and there’s the person who apparently emerged fully formed from the earth as a judgmental adult who was never, ever a child themselves.

We should study them for science.

The funniest part? Now that my kids are past the nightmare ages, I’ve become that person who’s like “Can I help? Do you need some stickers? I have a sticky hand in my bag!” Nothing brings me more pure, unadulterated joy than when it’s someone else’s kid melting down and I get to be the supportive passenger instead of the stressed parent.

It’s not mine. I can actually enjoy the chaos now.

I Don’t Think So, Honey: Our Mini-Rants

We each had something we needed to get off our chests this week, and honestly, they tied together in the most interesting way.

Ryan’s beef: Everyone on social media becoming an “expert” two posts into their content journey. The whole “I discovered this hidden gem in Japan” when you literally just typed it into Google Maps. The influencers setting up full podcast studios to talk to... no one. Just performative expertise everywhere.

His point (and it got surprisingly deep): He just wants people to be comfortable being themselves. Not chasing viral hooks. Not talking into spatulas to get our attention. Just... existing authentically.

As a parent, he wants that for his kids too. The ability to recognize and love parts of themselves without needing external validation. And honestly? That hit harder than expected from a conversation that started with spatulas, in a podcast episode about the Thongs Song.

My contribution: Performative parenting. You know exactly what I mean—when a parent is clearly parenting for your benefit rather than the child’s.

Like the mom on my training run who, as her perfectly-behaved five-year-old rode past me on a bike, felt the need to announce: “Way to go, bud! Way to share the road!”

That wasn’t for the kid. That was for me to know she’s a Good Parent™. And here’s what I believe: your kids can see through it. Maybe not at five, but definitely by sixteen.

Parent your kids for your kids. Not for the approval of strangers who won’t remember you five seconds after you pass them.

The Origin Story Nobody Expected

Alright, buckle up, because we’re about to go on a journey that involves Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Eleanor Rigby, and an 18-year-old who had never seen a thong before in his entire life.

Yes, really.

It’s 1997. Sisqó is a member of Dru Hill (you know, “How Deep Is Your Love”), and he’s only 17-18 years old when he decides to make a solo album. Meanwhile, two producers named Tim and Bob (also known as the Funk Twins, I definitely mispronounced that) are creating a mixtape specifically to present to Michael Jackson. They’re sampling “Eleanor Rigby” from The Beatles catalog, which Jackson owned at the time, thinking this would be their golden ticket.

They accidentally put this Eleanor Rigby track on a demo for Sisqó.

Sisqó hears it and is like, “I need that song.” They’re like, “Absolutely not, this is for Michael Jackson.” But Sisqó is so determined that he calls them from the airport and says if they give him the song, he’ll turn around when he lands and come straight back to record it.

They cave. They give him the track. But here’s where it gets wild.

The Night Everything Changed

Sisqó goes on a date. Brings a woman back to his house. And for the first time in his entire 18-year-old life, he sees what we would come to know as a thong.

He literally asks her: “What is that?”

She tells him it’s a thong.

He’s never heard this word before. Never seen this garment. So what does any normal teenager do? He calls his friends and is like, “YO, I went on this date with this girl, she was wearing this thing called a THONG.”

His friend, and I love this so much, goes goes on a date and experiences the same thing, then immediately calls Sisqó like “THONG THONG THONG THONG THONG.”

And thus, pop culture history was made.

The Strings That Changed Everything

But wait, it gets better. (It always gets better.)

Because they’re no longer recording for Michael Jackson, they can’t use the Eleanor Rigby sample without massive fees. So Sisqó contacts a violinist named Bruce Dukov. who worked on Star Wars, and asks him to recreate something similar but different enough to avoid copyright.

Bruce comes in, meets this random kid named Sisqó (has no idea who he is), plays the opening bars, and layers it with two other string sections. The entire “Thong Song” is three groups of strings layered on top of each other.

Bruce completes his job and leaves, having no idea what he just contributed to. He doesn’t hear the final version until his violinist friends call him months later asking if he’s heard “that song on pop radio that’s all strings.”

Full body chills. Every. Single. Time.

The Detail That Makes It A Masterpiece

Okay, here’s where I lose my mind and possibly lose some of you, but stay with me.

“Thong Song” starts in F-sharp major. The verses are repetitive, nothing groundbreaking in the lyrics. But then it builds to this crescendo (Sisqó calls it a climax, but I refuse to use that word), right when he’s running over everyone’s heads in the video.

After which it pitches up into G major.

Do you understand what I’m saying?

The song climaxes in G-string.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT’S NOT INTENTIONAL.

This 18-year-old kid, this team of producers, they knew exactly what they were doing. That level of musical innuendo is chef’s kiss perfection. It’s the kind of thing you’d expect from a music theory professor, not from a teenager who discovered thongs approximately three weeks before recording.

And yes, I will die on this hill, this Dru Hill, if you will. Put it on my tombstone. Roll my casket into my funeral to the opening violins of “Thong Song.”

The Lawsuit, The Legacy, The Lessons

Of course, there was drama. Sisqó had assured the producers he’d gotten clearance for the “Livin’ La Vida Loca” lyric. He had not. Ricky Martin and the song’s writer, Desmond Child, sued. They settled for an undisclosed amount, and to this day, Desmond Child owns most of “Thong Song.”

But here’s the beautiful part: the song still skyrocketed Bob and Tim’s careers. Michael Jackson actually reached out and said if they could get him a song hotter than “Thong Song,” he’d meet with them. They ended up writing six songs for him (none of which ever saw release, which makes me SO SAD).

And “Thong Song” got four Grammy nominations.

Four.

Can you imagine being Amy Grant or Alan Jackson sitting at the Grammys when they announce, “And the nominees are... THE THONG SONG”?

Why It Actually Matters

I get it. On the surface, “Thong Song” is absurd. It’s a one-hit wonder from a guy with platinum hair rapping about underwear over classical strings.

But here’s what it really was: a cultural door being kicked wide open.

Before “Thong Song,” you couldn’t just say the word “thong” on the radio. The label didn’t even want to release it as a single because they thought it was too explicit. After “Thong Song”? We got “Hot in Here” by Nelly. We got increasingly explicit music videos. The boundaries shifted.

And honestly, in an era where we were all downloading music on Napster and LimeWire, where distribution was changing everything about how we consumed pop culture, “Thong Song” represented something bigger: artists testing what they could say, what they could create, how far they could push.

It’s the same spirit that led The Beatles to hide drug references in their lyrics. Testing boundaries. Seeing what audiences would accept. Pioneering what would become normal.

The Thing About One-Hit Wonders

As Ryan and I discussed, we don’t really have true one-hit wonders anymore. The internet changed everything. Anyone can release music anytime. But there was something special about those flash-in-the-pan moments of the late 90s and early 2000s.

An artist would create something beautiful, something absurd, something absolutely perfect for that moment in time, and then disappear forever, living off those royalties and that cultural impact.

Sisqó still performs “Thong Song.” And you know what he says? Every time he hears those opening strings, he loses his mind. Because it’s iconic. People still love it. It’s been 25 years, and it still slaps.

That’s not nothing. That’s actually everything.

The Saskatchewan Wrap-Up

Before we go, I need to tell you about Ryan’s unhinged text of the week. He sent us a video entitled “Saskatchewan Raps 1990” with the message: “There will come a point this weekend where you want to get hyped up, and your brother has come through.”

For context, Saskatchewan is basically Canada’s Idaho. And in 1990, someone decided kids should rap. The beats are in the imperial system while the rappers are using the metric system (as one commenter perfectly described). It’s essentially children doing jump rope songs to a baby’s toy that makes sounds.

It’s perfect.

What We’re Really Talking About

Strip away all the jokes, all the absurdity, all the nostalgia, and what are we really discussing here?

We’re talking about a time when creativity could still surprise us. When an 18-year-old kid could discover something new (to him) and turn it into cultural phenomenon. When musicians could experiment with unexpected combinations, classical strings and hip-hop beats, and create something that transcended its parts.

We’re talking about authenticity versus performance. About being comfortable enough to share your genuine self instead of chasing what you think will go viral.

We’re talking about how the ridiculous things that raised us, yes, including “Thong Song”, shaped our understanding of music, culture, boundaries, and possibility.

And honestly? We’re talking about joy. Pure, unadulterated joy in something that doesn’t take itself too seriously but also doesn’t apologize for existing.

Your Turn

Here’s my challenge: Go listen to “Thong Song” right now. Really listen to it. Pay attention to those strings. Notice when it shifts from F-sharp to G major. Appreciate the absolutely bonkers journey that led to its creation.

And then tell me I’m wrong. Tell me it’s not a masterpiece.

I’ll wait.

And seriously—tell us in the comments: What’s YOUR theory on the greatest pop culture moment of the late 90s/early 2000s? What song do you think was more influential than “Thong Song”?

Because Jonathan and I have been sending this song back and forth for years, and now Ryan’s in the group chat, and we need more people to appreciate the genius that is Sisqó’s one-hit wonder.

If you love hearing siblings talk about the absurd things that shaped us, if you appreciate deep dives into ridiculous topics, if you want more stories about Amazon addiction and airplane meltdowns and why we think a song about underwear changed music history, subscribe to the podcast. Leave us a five-star rating. Tell your friends who also can’t believe they once thought “dumps like a truck” was about poop.

We’ll be back in two weeks with more nostalgia, more chaos, and probably more questionable takes on pop culture.

Until then, keep those strings tight and your thongs... well, wherever you keep them.

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P.S. - If you’re reading this, Sisqó, we see you. We appreciate you.

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