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In this powerful and moving episode Philip Ingram MBE is chatting with Jeff Imri.

Tragedy and life including the loss of his son and gambling, took Jeff Imri  on this remarkable path and a visual expression of his vision can be found in the  famous Angel wings in Creacon Wellness Retreat and a healing centre in New York.   He is now a university lecturer, master welder, healer and artist.

Please note there are some emotionally hard hitting insights in this episode.