Stephane Ibos says he's an entrepreneur at heart, pushing boundaries and driving innovation in order to further the technological capabilities of the SME space. The former Thales program manager joins host Phil Tarrant for this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast to explain why a love of innovation spurred him to leave the defence industry and co-found Maestrano – a cloud integration platform featuring applications that support the running of startups and SMEs. Tune in as the duo go in depth on innovation in defence – from why there's not enough room for creation, to the slow-moving and restrictive defence cycle, to how the government can fuel more innovation within the industry – and why they believe that without it, the Australian defence force could be left behind. Enjoy the podcast, The Defence Connect team.