Episode 32. Greg Lindsay chats with Bits and Atoms Principal Consultant Anthony Townsend about his upcoming book, "The Ghost Road," where he deconstructs the myths surrounding autonomous vehicles and analyzes their long-term effects. Anthony Townsend believes it is essential to regulate the business side of automation and that congestion pricing is the "beginning of a slippery slope towards financializing all movement." Greg and Anthony discuss how multiple forms of automation will impact our culture and the built environment.