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Drones Are Becoming the Most Lethal Weapon in War | Michael Brabner


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In this episode of Hangar X Studios, host John Ramstead welcomes Lieutenant Colonel Michael “Brabs” Brabner for a deep dive into the rapidly evolving world of military drone technology. With over 25 years in the U.S. Army and extensive experience in combat, defense acquisitions, and unmanned systems, Brabner shares his insights on how drones are permanently transforming warfare. From lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan to real-time observations from Ukraine, he explains the strategic, tactical, and operational advantages of small UAS, the Army’s shift toward purpose-built attritable systems, and the importance of rapid adaptation. This conversation explores cutting-edge developments like EOIR sensors, communication relay payloads, and kinetic FPV drones, while stressing the urgency of innovation, regulatory reform, and industry collaboration to maintain U.S. drone dominance.

Episode Highlights
  • Why drones are now among the most lethal assets on the battlefield

  • Lessons from Ukraine and how they’re shaping U.S. Army doctrine

  • The four modular mission payload priorities for small UAS

  • The “Audible” program: innovating safe, low-cost drone lethality

  • Overcoming regulatory barriers and accelerating adoption

  • How industry and the DoD can work together for rapid iteration and adaptation

  • Key Points with Timestamps

    [00:00:00] Brabner on the growing realization across the DoD that failure to adapt to drone technology could result in catastrophic consequences in future conflicts.
    [00:04:09] Lessons from Ukraine: how free battlefield lessons inform U.S. joint requirements and innovation.
    [00:06:39] Shift from snipers to drone operators as the most lethal battlefield role; drones destroying thousands of armored vehicles.
    [00:10:45] Addressing past capability gaps: shortening the sensor-to-shooter timeline and empowering tactical units with organic UAS assets.
    [00:13:55] The hunter-killer paradigm: pairing reconnaissance drones with kinetic FPV systems for maximum effect.
    [00:18:13] Importance of communication extension payloads for operational advantage in denied environments.
    [00:20:45] Electronic warfare payloads and survivability in GPS-denied environments.
    [00:22:29] Overcoming regulatory hurdles: decentralizing risk acceptance to speed deployment.
    [00:23:41] Incremental path toward advanced drone lethality, starting with safe, compliant designs like the “Audible” modular payload.
    [00:29:57] Tactical use cases for drones in defensive positions, from marking targets to calling in precision fires.
    [00:32:37] The SECDEF memorandum’s emphasis on long-term vision, strategic investment, and continuous adaptation.
    [00:34:28] Encouraging industry innovation and competition to avoid stagnation.

    Guest Bio

    Lieutenant Colonel Michael “Brabs” Brabner has served over 25 years in the U.S. Army, with multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. His career spans frontline command, defense acquisitions, and leadership in unmanned aerial systems development. As Branch Chief in Requirements at Fort Moore, Brabner has been at the forefront of shaping the Army’s future drone capabilities, advocating for rapid adaptation, organic lethality at the tactical level, and streamlined acquisition processes. His work on the “Audible” program and purpose-built attritable systems reflects a deep commitment to empowering soldiers with innovative, survivable, and effective battlefield tools.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-brabner-17b124253/ 

    Notable Quotes
    • “If we don’t prepare for this… we’re going to have a significant emotional event the next time we go to war.” – Michael Brabner

    • “Drones are rapidly, increasingly becoming the go-to source to solve simple tactical, operational, and strategic problem sets.” – Michael Brabner

    • “Throughout history, key terrain is always the high ground… now, with UAS, we can take that high ground organically.” – Michael Brabner

    • “We flipped the paradigm from fighting at the time and place of the enemy’s choosing to the time and place of our choosing.” – Michael Brabner

    • “The minute we blow up one soldier, the train stops… safety and reliability are paramount.” – Michael Brabner

    • “Competition brings out the best in everybody — and it keeps solutions evolving to meet the needs of the warfighter.” – Michael Brabner
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