Ukraine’s power grid has become a frontline target—and drones are the weapon of choice.

In this episode of Hardpoints, Mike and Neal continue the new shorter-format series with a focused look at drone warfare, energy infrastructure, and the Ukraine defense startup surge. They break down how Russia’s winter missile-and-drone campaigns are designed to do more than destroy hardware—aiming instead for strategic pressure: cutting heat and power, degrading communications, and testing morale at national scale.

From Mike’s experience in cruise missile targeting and “systems effects” thinking, the conversation explores how attacks on energy infrastructure ripple outward into command-and-control, intelligence exposure, and operational paralysis. Neal then connects the dots to the rapid innovation cycle happening inside Ukraine—where startups, specialized funding, and battlefield iteration are accelerating the drone/electronic-warfare cat-and-mouse game from months to days.

They also debate what this means for the future of U.S. force structure—especially the role (and vulnerability) of high-value assets like aircraft carriers in an era of cheap, scalable drone threats.

Plus: a new listener mailbag segment, a heartfelt tribute to John McCain’s legacy, and a candid “goods, bads, and others” close.

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