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Join James and Rafal, one last time, live from Enfuse Conference (Las Vegas, NV) this past summer.

In this episode, we track down a personal friend of Raf's - Bob Kruse, Demisto, VP Sales & Alliances, and talk about the need for the enterprise to automate and orchestrate.

Oh, also, Bob pretty much said by 1 year from the recording of that episode he would get an "Automate or Die" tattoo. So just to be on the safe side, we'll give him until next year, about this time. Game on, Bob.

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