This week, James and Rafal welcome in 2019 with a look at the fundamentally fatalistic argument that "everyone gets hacked" - with Richard Bird. They discuss whether that's even a valid statement, and if so, what can we do about it?

Highlights from this week's show include...

• Richard addresses the question of whether we've addressed a fundamentally fatalistic attitude towards security
• The guys discuss whether the real perimeter, as we go into 2019
• Richard schools the guys on identity - and what it's not the perimeter, but something else

Guest

• Richard Bird - Chief Customer Information Officer at Ping Identity - Link: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rbird/
  (Yes, Richard is the guy with the smashingly handsome bowties!)

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