TL;DR: This week on the podcast, the conversation with Phil Beyer goes all over the map. We start with the interesting (but short) story of how Phil got into cyber, to vCISO vs CISO, and how we really feel about the CISOs opportunity to "win". Short answer - there isn't a win here. It's a very fast-paced episode you'll want to listen at normal speed because, frankly, it's too fast otherwise!

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