On this episode of Kopi Konversations, we have Dzuleira Abu Bakar, the CEO of MAGIC. MAGIC a.k.a Malaysian Global Innovation & Creativity Centre . MAGIC supports the creativity and innovation development in Malaysia through dynamic programmes and capacity-building initiatives. With her we spoke about Malaysia's start-up ecosystem, the National Sandbox initiatives and how she sees Malaysia competing with their peers in South East Asia to incubate start-ups. Join us on this week's Kopi Konversation!