Alec speaks with Vivianne Castillo and Nate Wilson. Vivianne is the founder of HMNTY CNTRD, and multiple time UXRConf speaker, and Nate is on the team at New Retirement and has a deep passion for personal finance. They chat about the importance of researchers to get people more in control and hopeful about their financial health and how this impacts their decisions in their workplace, getting people to understand that they don't have to compromise their values in exchange for financial security, and the importance of overcoming financial trauma by identifying the real value of things and what is meaningful for each person.