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Dr. Dave:

So I'm just dying of laughter. So welcome to the KnolShare with Dr. Dave podcast. I am Dr. Dave Cornelius, your host. We're continuing the series, Resilient You, to discover what makes people resilient, to build resilient organization. My guest today is Tricia Broderick, co-author of Lead Without Blame: Building Resilient Learning Teams. Tricia is also an agile trainer coach and advocate for diversity and inclusion. So welcome Tricia. I'm so glad to be able to talk to you.

Tricia:

I'm so glad I finally found time and we could sync our schedules to make this happen. I'm so excited to be here.

Dr. Dave:

Likewise. So I would love to get an elevator pitch so that people could understand who you are and the superpower that you bring to this space.

Tricia:

Oh, elevator pitch. Well, I'm going to change it up and say something slightly different than the standard, "Oh, I was a computer science major", who cares about any of that? I guess my elevator pitch of who I am is the person who is continuing to learn how to lead, but isn't afraid to share the challenges along the ways to say the things that might be hard to say, to make sure that we're constantly growing and learning to be the best in the space where we can help others thrive.

And so, my superpower is to really be as authentic as I can. My colleague often jokes that you get the same Tricia no matter who's in the room, and that probably is true, but I think the other superpower is just being able to acknowledge that I don't always get it right and that I'm learning still and I'm growing still, and the only way you mess up truly as a leader is you stop trying, and so I think that's my elevator pitch is, I want to see leaders create environments that lift people up, and I realize it's hard work.

Dr. Dave:

Sure is. So, in your journey, as you encounter people and coaching and training, how do you define resilient people?

Tricia:

So I mean, you've got your standard resilient definition, ability to respond. If you're doing a whole podcast, you've probably gone through this in a lot of ways. For me, it's not about just being courageous or brave, it's not just being driven or focused and dedicated. For me it's being able to also be adaptive, to be reflective, to be in a space where you can process and think again and realize that part of resiliency is not being perfect, but growing, and evolving and inspecting as things are needed.

And so for me, resiliency and people isn't perfection, it's being able to respond to the chaos, because if nothing else we should all acknowledge at this point is chaos is the norm, not complexity even, and so how do people respond in that chaos? Are they taking time for self care? Are they taking time to challenge themselves? Are they supporting others? And that's, for me, what makes resiliency? Is it perfection or pure grit? A lot of people say just grit of sticking something, it's like, no, sometimes asking for help and not sticking for a minute is resilience in terms of just moving forward and reacting to that, especially the chaos.

Dr. Dave:

Yeah, definitely. Especially in this time, it's even more chaotic than we have seen it for some time. So as you're in this chaos,