The role of unions in the politics of New Hampshire and the country is - like much of the two major parties' coalitions - in flux. Rich Gulla, who has been President of New Hampshire's largest (about 11,000 members) union, has led the State Employees' Association since 2014, and has seen a lot in the last 11 years.

I learned a lot in this conversation from Rich: The generational divide among Republicans in how they perceive the party's future relationship with most unions; the inherently pragmatic outlook Rich and his membership must take in dealing with both parties - and why it puts SEA in a uniquely strong position at the State House as the parties vie for power in 2026 and beyond; and what issues we can expect to see prioritized by labor in the future.

We ended up talking a little football, drumming, and snowmobiling, too. Enjoy this conversation with one of most consequential leaders in today's New Hampshire politics.