Nathan is my best friend and we have known each other since we were kids. We talk about what lead him to be semi retired at the ripe age of 34 and get a lot of chit chatting in. Things mentioned in the show:

Terrible Beauty - Bryan Halferty

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All that the Rain Promises and More - David Arora

https://amzn.to/43v5EAa

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