I discuss my latest piece for High Times breaking down the divide in the kratom world between the leaf kratom and 7-OH industries. I dive into the world of kratom lobbying groups, and explore their connections with scientists and regulators.

Then, Soren Shade joins the podcast to talk about his experience with these groups, as well as the broader landscape of drug prohibition and the systemic factors that incentivize dishonesty in the kratom and 7-OH industries.

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