Creation for Liberation Podcast

E21. Inquiries Beyond Binaries About Peace in These Times ft. HawaH Kasat


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In this episode, Chetna shares:

  • The Chetna Unfolding newsletter where she’s been publishing more recently about longing and depression as portals, second arrow suffering, the addiction to binary thinking, and more

  • Ahimsa and nonviolence, and the confusing contemplation about what peace means today

  • The day count and loss of 30,000 Palestinian lives, 1,400 Israeli lives, and uncountable plant and animals lives taken by genocide

  • An introduction of Hawah Kasat, an award-winning educator, community organizer and yogi among other things

  • HawaH talking about “negative peace” and “positive peace” 

  • How the negative/positive peace binary helps her understand to some degree, but also has its limitations

  • HawaH talking about the nuance of nonviolence

  • Binary-thinking as a strategy to make quick moves in a panic

  • The illusionary clarity of binary-thinking that leaves little room for nuance and complexity

  • How relying on panic to carry us forward f*cks us over even more by fueling even more panic and suffering.

  • The distracting suffocating binary of enough and not enough in regards to our activism

  • The present-traumatic stress caused by over-consuming media 

  • How there is no one-right way and to believe and assert on others that there is one right way to think, to be, to act right now may be a perpetuation of domination and separation

  • The inquiry: “how can I expect to steward- from my dysregulated nervous system- a New Earth that’s wholly different from the one built by dysregulated nervous systems?” 
  • The inquiry: “how can I- and we- be influences of change in the world without perpetuating colonial cultures of separation and domination?” 

  • The inquiry: “how can I expect to disrupt the cycles of trauma and fear when I’m acting from my trauma and fear?”

  • Her desire to normalize when and what we don’t actually know…and to open to the possibilities of connection and healing in that unknown.

  • Find:

    • HawaH’s website: hawah.us

    • HawaH on IG @hawahkasat

    • Chetna on IG @mosaiceye and the podcast @creationforliberation 

    • The Chetna Unfolding newsletter on Substack (chetnaunfolding.substack.com)

    • Other offerings:

      • Upcoming Events: Welcome Spring 2024: an Intention-Refreshing workshop. Embodying Bhakti: The Yoga of Love - a series for women and non-binary activists

      • Work 1:1 with Chetna for self-trust, creative reclamation and divine aligning (chetnamehta.co/sessions)

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